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	<title>Comments on: Saiunkoku Monogatari II &#8211; 04</title>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
		<link>http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/2007/05/06/saiunkoku-monogatari-ii-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aliene: yup, it certainly is the case for Shuurei... and, I still have to watch / read on to know how things are going to turn out for her :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aliene: yup, it certainly is the case for Shuurei&#8230; and, I still have to watch / read on to know how things are going to turn out for her <img src='http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/pau/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: aliene</title>
		<link>http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/2007/05/06/saiunkoku-monogatari-ii-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>aliene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks i actually found it a little earlier. =3 Hee page number is 20 in the taiwan version.

I hadn&#039;t paid much attention to this bit when I read the novel =x.

Chinese ver goes:
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

But Shuurei should be a special case? She&#039;s not just a regular &quot;sacrifice&quot; but someone being blamed for a plague so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks i actually found it a little earlier. =3 Hee page number is 20 in the taiwan version.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t paid much attention to this bit when I read the novel =x.</p>
<p>Chinese ver goes:<br />
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????</p>
<p>But Shuurei should be a special case? She&#8217;s not just a regular &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; but someone being blamed for a plague so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aliene: it&#039;s in the volume 7 of the novel... particularly page 18 :)

it&#039;s mentioned that the Immortals who lived too long (?) deteriorated / transformed into these &#039;Evil Immortals&#039; who is said to bring curses to people, so an annual sacrificial ritual is done to appease them... which is probably the &#039;belief&#039; being spread by the cult o___o

in this case, Shuurei seems to be targeted as the next sacrifice, so to speak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aliene: it&#8217;s in the volume 7 of the novel&#8230; particularly page 18 <img src='http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/pau/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>it&#8217;s mentioned that the Immortals who lived too long (?) deteriorated / transformed into these &#8216;Evil Immortals&#8217; who is said to bring curses to people, so an annual sacrificial ritual is done to appease them&#8230; which is probably the &#8216;belief&#8217; being spread by the cult o___o</p>
<p>in this case, Shuurei seems to be targeted as the next sacrifice, so to speak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: aliene</title>
		<link>http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/2007/05/06/saiunkoku-monogatari-ii-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>aliene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unn....I forgot which part of the novel this came from...Any idea so I can hop backwards and re-read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unn&#8230;.I forgot which part of the novel this came from&#8230;Any idea so I can hop backwards and re-read?</p>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aliene: yup, &quot;Jasenkyou&quot; is indeed literally translates to &quot;Teaching (or Sect, as you mentioned) of the Evil Immortals&quot;, and something about the &#039;legend of these Evil Immortals&#039; or how they became evil came about... I have yet to check the novel to verify this, whether the cult was the one who mentioned this or not...

But then there aren&#039;t any other Immortals in Saiunkoku other than the ones in the ?? right...? o__o or it&#039;s something I don&#039;t know... o___o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aliene: yup, &#8220;Jasenkyou&#8221; is indeed literally translates to &#8220;Teaching (or Sect, as you mentioned) of the Evil Immortals&#8221;, and something about the &#8216;legend of these Evil Immortals&#8217; or how they became evil came about&#8230; I have yet to check the novel to verify this, whether the cult was the one who mentioned this or not&#8230;</p>
<p>But then there aren&#8217;t any other Immortals in Saiunkoku other than the ones in the ?? right&#8230;? o__o or it&#8217;s something I don&#8217;t know&#8230; o___o</p>
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		<title>By: aliene</title>
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		<dc:creator>aliene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O_O It only occured to me that the translated literal meaning of &quot;Jasenkyou&quot; would be &quot;teaching of the evil immortals&quot;.

If we look at it literally:
&quot;ja&quot; = evil
&quot;sen&quot; = immortal
&quot;kyou&quot; = teaching

But I don&#039;t recall reading or hearing anything being mentioned about what the cult is teaching being related to the 8 immortals directly. (hmm but since Elwen mentioned Ensei and Eigetsu talking about it I could be wrong O_O)

Normally (with reference to chinese period novels or period dramas) when &quot;something-kyou&quot; is mentioned, the first thing i think of is &quot;something-sect&quot;...

Ummm in this 2nd scenario, Jasenkyou is more like &quot;Sect of the Evil Immortal/s&quot; which could mean the teachings are related to some evil immortal/s; not necessarily the legendary 8 immortals? That&#039;s what I felt when I read the book anyways =x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O_O It only occured to me that the translated literal meaning of &#8220;Jasenkyou&#8221; would be &#8220;teaching of the evil immortals&#8221;.</p>
<p>If we look at it literally:<br />
&#8220;ja&#8221; = evil<br />
&#8220;sen&#8221; = immortal<br />
&#8220;kyou&#8221; = teaching</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t recall reading or hearing anything being mentioned about what the cult is teaching being related to the 8 immortals directly. (hmm but since Elwen mentioned Ensei and Eigetsu talking about it I could be wrong O_O)</p>
<p>Normally (with reference to chinese period novels or period dramas) when &#8220;something-kyou&#8221; is mentioned, the first thing i think of is &#8220;something-sect&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Ummm in this 2nd scenario, Jasenkyou is more like &#8220;Sect of the Evil Immortal/s&#8221; which could mean the teachings are related to some evil immortal/s; not necessarily the legendary 8 immortals? That&#8217;s what I felt when I read the book anyways =x</p>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 07:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to the &quot;evil Immortals&quot;, Shou certainly is not evil. But we still don&#039;t know much about the others... what if it&#039;s referring to the other ones instead? (not quite sure about this too &gt;_&lt;) but it is indeed as you say... it&#039;s most likely just a version of the cult.

about the &quot;imperial doctors&quot;, it wasn&#039;t really obvious in the chinese translation, and I think I assumed that he was referring to THE great imperial doctor (the one Shou was talking to in the previous episode), so I didn&#039;t quite pay attention to that detail (so I missed the mention of &#039;tachi&#039;) =P thanks for pointing it out! ^^ still in the processing of learning both languages, so there :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the &#8220;evil Immortals&#8221;, Shou certainly is not evil. But we still don&#8217;t know much about the others&#8230; what if it&#8217;s referring to the other ones instead? (not quite sure about this too >_< ) but it is indeed as you say&#8230; it&#8217;s most likely just a version of the cult.</p>
<p>about the &#8220;imperial doctors&#8221;, it wasn&#8217;t really obvious in the chinese translation, and I think I assumed that he was referring to THE great imperial doctor (the one Shou was talking to in the previous episode), so I didn&#8217;t quite pay attention to that detail (so I missed the mention of &#8216;tachi&#8217;) =P thanks for pointing it out! ^^ still in the processing of learning both languages, so there <img src='http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/pau/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elwen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the summaries.  They&#039;ve been helping a lot.  ^^

About the Jasenkyo . . . I can&#039;t understand the crucial relational words in Eigetsu and Ensei&#039;s conversation, but my strong hunch is that the thing about the Eight Immortals becoming evil is just the version of the story the cult is telling, not the real one.  You&#039;d think Eigetsu would know the real story quite well, but after talking about them becoming evil and needed sacrifices, he says, &quot;or something like that.&quot;  (Plus, Shou isn&#039;t evil per se, and certainly not demanding sacrifices.)

Also, Eigetsu talks about doctors, plural, in the imperial palace.  Just a minor detail, but I guess something that didn&#039;t come across in the Chinese translation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the summaries.  They&#8217;ve been helping a lot.  ^^</p>
<p>About the Jasenkyo . . . I can&#8217;t understand the crucial relational words in Eigetsu and Ensei&#8217;s conversation, but my strong hunch is that the thing about the Eight Immortals becoming evil is just the version of the story the cult is telling, not the real one.  You&#8217;d think Eigetsu would know the real story quite well, but after talking about them becoming evil and needed sacrifices, he says, &#8220;or something like that.&#8221;  (Plus, Shou isn&#8217;t evil per se, and certainly not demanding sacrifices.)</p>
<p>Also, Eigetsu talks about doctors, plural, in the imperial palace.  Just a minor detail, but I guess something that didn&#8217;t come across in the Chinese translation.</p>
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		<title>By: mirax</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 16:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for the summary, we are all very grateful for your hard work ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the summary, we are all very grateful for your hard work ^^</p>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re all welcome~! Thanks for the support! =D

@iced_wine: yes, it is indeed as you say. still watching / summarizing episode 5 at the moment and it explains it all, just as you said it ^^

@bootoye: the disease spreading was said to cause bloated stomach... but then again that must just be the initial sign and that the real effect is a mental one o_O The origin of Eigetsu x Yougetsu remains to be a question... 

regarding Riou, he does have supernatural powers, because he&#039;s from the gifted clan as you say, the Hyou clan (same clan as Shuurei&#039;s mom, Eiki and Shunki). I believe the reason why he wants to get Shuurei is because he sees the &quot;Bara-hime (Shoukun, Shuurei&#039;s mom)&quot; he once lost (coz Shouka took her from him) in Shuurei... and with that, getting back Shuurei would mean like, getting back &quot;Bara-hime&quot; (which would now be Shuurei)

That opinion of yours regarding Reishin got me thinking, and I&#039;d have to agree with that... he&#039;s &quot;shy&quot;, and doesn&#039;t know how to express &quot;love&quot; explicitly... he shows it through other means instead... would love to see more of Reishin&#039;s past, and the &quot;deeper-side&quot; of his personality (or rather, explanations as to why his personality became that way) ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re all welcome~! Thanks for the support! =D</p>
<p>@iced_wine: yes, it is indeed as you say. still watching / summarizing episode 5 at the moment and it explains it all, just as you said it ^^</p>
<p>@bootoye: the disease spreading was said to cause bloated stomach&#8230; but then again that must just be the initial sign and that the real effect is a mental one o_O The origin of Eigetsu x Yougetsu remains to be a question&#8230; </p>
<p>regarding Riou, he does have supernatural powers, because he&#8217;s from the gifted clan as you say, the Hyou clan (same clan as Shuurei&#8217;s mom, Eiki and Shunki). I believe the reason why he wants to get Shuurei is because he sees the &#8220;Bara-hime (Shoukun, Shuurei&#8217;s mom)&#8221; he once lost (coz Shouka took her from him) in Shuurei&#8230; and with that, getting back Shuurei would mean like, getting back &#8220;Bara-hime&#8221; (which would now be Shuurei)</p>
<p>That opinion of yours regarding Reishin got me thinking, and I&#8217;d have to agree with that&#8230; he&#8217;s &#8220;shy&#8221;, and doesn&#8217;t know how to express &#8220;love&#8221; explicitly&#8230; he shows it through other means instead&#8230; would love to see more of Reishin&#8217;s past, and the &#8220;deeper-side&#8221; of his personality (or rather, explanations as to why his personality became that way) ^^</p>
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